Everything You Need to Know About Captain America: Civil War

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3. There is actually a lot I like about this so far. For one, I love that the event which starts Civil War will be something the Avengers do instead of some random group of inexperienced superheroes. This will make the stakes from the get go higher, especially since Steve will feel personally responsible for what happened. Including General Ross makes sense (Talbot is so much fun to watch in Agent of Shield), and I am glad that the important characters form the last movie, like Sharon and Crossbone will still be around. And naturally Bucky, which might (and that’s the area of pure speculation) might add another element to the conflict. If Steve’s stance during Civil War is not just about his own believes but also about protecting Bucky, it might play into it. That’s assuming that he will be against governmental control. It is entirely possible that he switches roles with Tony.

   In any case, I hope that most of the Avengers are mostly there as brief cameos whenever they fit and that the movie does not investigate the stance of every single one, because that would really pull focus from Steve.

   I have the feeling that we’ll get Spider-man in a brief cameo at the end and that’s it. Who knows, perhaps Marvel even manages somehow to keep the identity of the actor secret until then. A nearly impossible feat, but if they are clever, they might be able to pull it off. I think what most people forget is that the unmasking of Spider-man lead to huge problems down the line, leading to Marvel doing one of the most stupid storylines ever to undo it. So I doubt that it will happen. It might become a theme during his own movie, though. Everyone seems to think that Civil War will be about the whole thing, but I have the feeling that it will actually be about the events which eventually lead to it, with the upcoming movies Black Panther and Spider Man showing the impact, and finally Infinity War I showing how the conflict is solved because of a bigger issue (Thanos).

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   1. I’m pretty much with you on all of this. I imagine Civil War will depict a world already debating the merits of the Avengers due to Ultron (we know Tony Stark’s level of responsibility, but does the world?) when all of a sudden the New Avengers have their own colossal fuck-up, clearly happening at the worst time possible. Like you said, this should be a far more effective inciting incident than what happens in the Civil War comic. I guess it is not guaranteed Cap and Tony will share the same stance they did in the comic book, although that does seem most likely considering the stances the characters made in Winter Soldier and Age of Ultron. The new wrinkle here will be the idea that both Tony and Cap have something to feel guilty and responsible for, Tony with Ultron and Cap with whatever international incident kicks off Civil War while he is in charge of the New Avengers.

      I am still unclear how The Winter Soldier will play into all of this. As you speculated, they could work him in there to somehow make Cap’s views on the ethical dilemma at the heart of the story far more personal, particularly in Cap is protecting Bucky.

      The popular theory I’ve heard for how all of this will play out is that Cap and his Avengers will lose to Tony and his people who will then be thoroughly unprepared for Thanos in Infinity War Part 1 thus leading to Cap’s Avengers (and Cap, if he survives) and Thor and The Hulk to return in Part 2 to team-up and defeat Thanos, with multiple characters being killed off due to expiring contracts for the actors. As you’ve speculated, the events of Civil War could be directly felt in Black Panther and Spider-Man while Captain Marvel possibly falls more on the Guardians of the Galaxy/Thanos side of things considering how central the Kree are to her origin story.

      But that’s jumping way ahead. The two most iconic parts of the Civil War are probably Spider-Man unmasking and Captain America being assassinated by a brainwashed Sharon Carter. Frankly, I hope neither of those happens in the Civil War movie. Spider-Man doing that would have no effect since we’ll have only just met him. Plus, due to Chris Evans’ contract it’s been assumed for so long that he’d die in Cap 3 and Sebastian Stan’s Bucky would become the new Cap that it would be more satisfying to see him survive simply because it would seem more surprising that way. Then again, if I remember correctly Chris Evans is the one who reavealed Infinity War 1 and 2 will be filmed back-to-back over 9 months thus suggesting he’ll definitely be involved.

      I think your argument for how Civil War could work is spot-on – the other Avengers should not pull focus away from Cap too much, and the plot it sets in motion can carry over to other films. It needs to feel like a Captain American movie the same way that Winter Soldier does, but the temptation is obviously there to make it an unofficial Avengers movie with plenty of fun stuff to do for the new people like Vision and Scarlet Witch. I wouldn’t blame them because I can’t wait to see more of them along with the rest of the New Avengers.

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      1. Honestly, I hope that they’ll work the unmasking into the spider-man movie. Perhaps as part of the final, when we already get to know the character, we come to the point at which Peter wants to do it – and then changes his mind the very least moment. The fun thing about it is that the comic fans know that he did it in the story and the movie fans know that secret identities are not really a thing in the MCU, so Marvel can believably sell that he actually would do it, making it a very tense scene.

         The Sharon Carter thing, I hope they skip. There isn’t enough of a relationship between those two characters that it can have an impact, plus, if it is the start of Civil War, Cap needs to stick around to act as the leader of the resistance. If they kill him (like you I would prefer if they didn’t), Infinity War is the right moment.

         And I guess Vision will be a goner than, too. In this case I hope that they are doing it, because with the stone he is way too powerful for my taste. He was my favourite new character in Age of Ultron, but I have the feeling that he would get really boring really fast on the long run.

         What makes me hopeful is that they picked the same writers team which did already Winter Soldiers (and The First Avengers and Agent Carter) for this movie AND Infinity War. Not only does this mean that the minds behind the best franchise in the MCU (at least Imho) conclude their work, they (unlike Whedon) really like this character, they know him, and they can put whatever great ideas they have for the Avengers into the movie in which it belongs.

      2. Although I am obviously intrigued by what Marvel will do with their Spider-Man, I really hope he is just a small part of the Civil War movie, playing out much as you have said – making a nice cameo before stretching out in his own solo movie which could have the events of Civil War hanging over it. If they did have him reveal his secret identity in the finale of his film, much as you described, it would very much so remind me of the first Iron Man, which is a good thing.

         Completely agreed about Sharon Carter.

         Also, pretty much agree about Vision. Considering that they’ve now established he is a walking and talking Infinity Stone, it seems likely that Vision will become the key plot device of The Infinity War, much as Mystique is in X-Men: Days of Future Past. I foresee a scenario in which Thanos somehow has all of the Infinity Stones but one, probably picking up several after Asgard falls during Thor: Ragnarok (assuming that movie will be the Asgard apocalypse story suggested by the title), maybe another in Guardians of the Galaxy 2, and comes to Earth to collect the final one from Vision’s forehead. In the immediate future, though, Age of Ultron works hard to establish a connection between Vision and Scarlet Witch, her being intrigued because she can’t read his mind, watching from afar with a curious look on her face as Vision and Thor talk on the balcony, and Vision swooping in to save her in the end. Those are Joss Whedon’s nods to Vision and Scarlet Witch’s long comic book history as a couple, and it’ll be interesting if Civil War picks up from there or simply leaves it at that for fear of a Scarlet Witch/Vision romance sub-plot turning into Civil War’s Black Widow/Hulk. It would probably be more effective if that’s more fully explored in Infinity War Part 1, making Vision’s seemingly inevitable death all the more tragic.

         Your point about it being a huge plus for Civil War and Infinity War to have the same directors and writers thus allowing more consistency is spot-on. My sensibilities lean naturally more to Joss Whedon’s side of things, and Markus and McFeely are very different kinds of writers. So, I will miss Whedon’s signature humor in the future Avengers movies, but Civil War and Infinity War probably need to be less jokey (although Whedon can also do that) and Markus and MCFeely should be great for that.

      3. The First Avenger is my favourite of all the origin movies, even over Iron Man. Agent Carter is my favourite Marvel TV show, even over Daredevil (though those two are hard to compare). The Winter Soldier is alongside with GotG my favourite Marvel movie so far. So while I will miss Whedon, I am way to pleased about the choice they made to be upset about him taking a hiatus. I am pretty sure that he will be back. (Plus, I think he would destroy himself over Infinity War considering that he has a hard time to delegate).
         I honestly don’t need to see the Scarlett Witch/Vision romance to develop. We all know how this works, so why bother explaining it? Why not letting them turn up as a pair in one movie, perhaps with a scene in which they explain why the little fact that Vision is an android doesn’t matter to them, and that’s it. We don’t really need to see how they fall in love and start a relationship, what we need to see is how they deal with the problems which arise from said relationship and what Wanda will do once Vision dies.

      4. “I honestly don’t need to see the Scarlett Witch/Vision romance to develop. We all know how this works, so why bother explaining it? Why not letting them turn up as a pair in one movie, perhaps with a scene in which they explain why the little fact that Vision is an android doesn’t matter to them, and that’s it. We don’t really need to see how they fall in love and start a relationship, what we need to see is how they deal with the problems which arise from said relationship and what Wanda will do once Vision dies.”

         Agreed. It’s just an interesting situation they’ve put themselves in now because prior to this point The Avengers movies have tried to play around a little more with those characters who only appear in Avengers movies, like The Hulk in the first one, Hawkeye in Age of Ultron, even if stopwatch viewing repeatedly proves Cap and Iron Man get the most screen time. Civil War is going to be our first time where Avengers-only characters will spill over into someone else’s movie, and Joss Whedon set up a potential storyline for Scarlet Witch and Vision. So, do you do anything with that in Civil War? Repeat the Age of Ultron Widow/Hulk formula and simply argue the two have become closer in-between movies and start the new one about to become a couple? Do you just ignore any of that and push it all to Infinity War? This is one of those things where it is especially great that all the movies will have the same writers and directors because they’ll know exactly how everything will play out and connect rather than having to hand it off to other people for the next one.

         Right now, the way I am picturing it in my head is for it to be something simple, like you said, a scene of Scarlet Witch and Vision deciding him being an android does not matter to them, with Cap perhaps viewing from afar or being told about it by Black Widow and that turning into the final push to ask Sharon out, e.g., if a witch and an android can find love then there’s still hope for me. But that would be adding two romances to Civil War, although I am picturing things going crazy before Cap ever makes any progress with Sharon, which might be a bit much. And come to think of it I might be allowing the comic book history of the characters influence me too much because although Winter Soldier plays with Cap moving toward Sharon Age of Ultron works hard to establish Cap as someone who has accepted his identity as a soldier and leader of men with no place in any area of domesticity, walking away from the open door into Hawkeye’s house like John Wayne in The Searchers.

      5. Actually, The Winter Soldier was the first time an “Avengers only” character spilled over to another movie – with Black Widow. And that is not counting “Iron Man II”.

         I honestly don’t think we even need as much as you describe. Let’s say, there is this fight which goes wrong at the start. While we see how the event unfolds, we can also see Vision and Scarlet Witch working together. Perhaps one of them even gets hurt, and when Steve visit the person in question in the hospital wing, wallowing in guilt, the other one is already there by his or her side. That is all needed at this point. We can follow Steve’s story for the rest of the movie, but when those two turn up again during a future movie and are suddenly a pair, it will feel like the logical next step from the closeness we observed already. There is no need for extra-scenes just for them.

      6. Wait, what? How can you not count Iron Man 2? Black Widow premiered in that film, ergo, she’s not an Avengers-only character.

         And now I argue with myself….Yeah, but Hawkeye actually had that cameo in the first Thor, ergo, he’s not an Avengers-only character.

         And the Hulk had his own dang movie before the Avengers, albeit played by a totally different actor.

         “Let’s say, there is this fight which goes wrong at the start. While we see how the event unfolds, we can also see Vision and Scarlet Witch working together. Perhaps one of them even gets hurt, and when Steve visit the person in question in the hospital wing, wallowing in guilt, the other one is already there by his or her side. That is all needed at this point. We can follow Steve’s story for the rest of the movie, but when those two turn up again during a future movie and are suddenly a pair, it will feel like the logical next step from the closeness we observed already. There is no need for extra-scenes just for them.”

         If were both pitching our ideas for how to handle this storyline to Marvel Studios, I’d tell them to take yours over mine. Your’s is better, simpler, and better returns things to a focus on Cap.

      7. I interpreted “Avengers only” as characters who are Avengers but never go their own movie, and I didn’t count Iron Man II because Natasha didn’t really have an arc in it, but she did have one in The Winter Soldier.
         I am pretty confident that those writers can handle it to stay focussed. The important point is that they can show “that’s the point at which the characters are now” without devoting a lot of time to them.
         I hope that they will treat most of the characters on the cast list like cameos, people who turn up when they fit, but not as characters who all need their own arc as it is the case in the Avengers-movies. Take Bruce’s cameo at the end of Iron Man III. It was just a fun scene, but it told us that he was apparently now living in the Avengers tower and that he still has a growing friendship with Tony (even if Bruce fell asleep, Tony was pretty open towards him). Which in turn explains why the two are so close in Age of Ultron, close enough that Bruce would go along with Tony’s plan.

4. If William Hurt (as General Ross) in included, I’ll be pleased. The Incredible Hulk always seemed disconnected from the rest of the movies. There is actually a small reference in Iron Man 2 with Hulk news footage in the background, which I did not know until long after the movie came out.

   I didn’t realize how many characters will be in Civil War. I’m looking forward to this.

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   1. I vaguely recall the Hulk news footage in Iron Man 2. I think everyone was surprised to see William Hurt’s name in the Civil War cast. The Incredible Hulk has almost been completely ignored in the MCU. It’s just awkward now that they have a new Hulk everyone loves. So, why remind everyone of that Hulk movie starring someone else and posting the MCU’s worst box office? I know that the moment in the Avengers when Ruffalo talks about having tried and failed to commit suicide by swallowing a bullet is actually lifted from an Incredible Hulk deleted scene.

      I’ve seen a lot of internet snark thrown Civil War’s way precisely because its ginormous cast, especially so soon after so many fault Age of Ultron for being over-stuffed. However, the Civil War story pretty much demands that all of the Avengers make some kind of appearance, minus Thor and Hulk. Their challenge will be to balance everything, and it seems likely that some of the Avengers will simply have glorified cameos.

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5. I’m really hoping they go with Asa Butterfield over Tom Holland. Not only do I think he has more of the look of Spidey, but I think he’d be fantastic. The only problem may be that he is currently in Miss Peregrine’s and if that does well he may not be able to do it.

   As for the registration act they definitely have a lot to go with. The secret identity is certainly a major aspect from the storyline, but there’s a lot more to the story line. For one there is whole registering and becoming essentially a tool of the government. Ultimately forcing all heroes, powered or not, to server their country or jail. It makes it more like a hunt and forced exploitation. At least that was the one element of the registration act that bothered me most in the comics.

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   1. I have not seen Asa Butterfield or Tom Holland in anything (that I know of). So, I don’t have a strong opinion about either one of them. They both look vaguely Peter Parker-ish. The early word was that Butterfield had the edge, and now due to Miss Peregrine’s it’s shifted over to Holland.

      As for the registration, this is an area where they can easily do something similar but not identical to the comics. They can do the same basic idea without any kind of secret identity component (since as you pointed out there’s also more to just the identity part of it in the comics), not dissimilar to how SHIELD just kicked off a war between the Inhumans and SHIELD because the latter wanted to officially index and monitor the former. Destroying SHIELD/Hydra in Winter Soldier has left a gap in operational oversight in the MCU, which is something Age of Ultron mostly sidestepped, with the Avengers and New Avengers apparently operating more like independent contractors bankrolled by Tony Stark. Some version of the Civil War story is really a logical next step at this point.

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   2. That might sound odd, but between those two, I would prefer Asa, too, simply because he has those overly long fingers I really, really want in a Spider-man actor. But I trust them to pick the right one.

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      1. I’m sure Marvel has it covered.

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