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Nitpicking The Amazing Spider-Man 2: 8 Things We Didn’t Like

We have not had something as thoroughly comic book movie-y as The Amazing Spider-Man 2 in quite a while.  Iron Man 3 had extremis-powered soldiers with mutant-like powers, and Captain America: The Winter Soldier gave us Toby Jones as an almost literal talking head.  But Amazing Spider-Man 2 has a mad scientist who speaks as if he didn’t realize Peter Seller’s Dr. Strangelove voice was meant to be a joke, a lab accident-created villain who proudly declares, “I am Electro!”, a Russian mobster with an accent straight out of Rocky & Bullwinkle, and a general camp-quality to almost every moment involving costumed crimefighters and villains.  However, because Peter Parker is such a younger superhero prone to juvenile one-liners and constantly battling accident-created villains he may not really ever be primed for a Christopher Nolan or Marvel Studios-esque treatment aspiring to be anything more than a fun comic book movie.  Showing us in The Amazing Spider-Man 1 all the bruises and scars Parker encurs from Spider-Man combat, ala Kickass, may be as grounded in reality as it gets for him on film.

So, ASM 2 is made with family-friendly viewing on its mind, a likely relief for any parent left scrambling last summer to explain why Superman just snapped a guy’s neck in Man of Steel (although there is still a BIG death in ASM 2).  There’s nothing wrong with that.  It doesn’t mean Amazing Spider-Man 2 gets a free pass, though:  

SPOILERS AHEAD FOR The Amazing Spider-Man 2 (obviously)

1. Did we really need to finish off the “Untold Story” From Amazing Spider-Man 1?

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The first Amazing Spider-Man was an origin story which only partially finished its own origin.  As was widely discussed on the internet in 2012, due to Sony’s media saturation marketing strategy for Amazing Spider-Man 1 there was ample video and photo evidence that the great “untold story” of Peter Parker’s transformation into Spider-Man was cut from the film by Sony very late in the game.  To some, this was a good thing because the alternate origin story, while different enough to stand out from the Raimi films, sounded remarkably stupid.  As io9.com argued:

“There’s just the fact that Spider-Man’s origin, like a lot of the best Stan Lee creations, is incredibly simple […] Spidey’s single spider-bite gives him the power, and then the interesting question is what he does with that power. Making the mechanics of Spidey’s power-up more complicated just messes with what makes him such a classic hero — so it’s a very, very good thing that Sony slashed and burned that subplot from Amazing Spider-Man. Let’s hope it’s kept out of the sequels, too.”

Oh, it’s in the sequel. Sony’s ill-fated “untold story” marketing for ASM 1 left many walking away feeling lied to since the actual film merely introduced some vague mystery about Peter’s parents, and then pretty much dropped that.  Screenwriters Alex Kurtzman, Robert Orci, and Jeff Pinkner, all three of whom are new to the Spider-Man franchise, do their best to provide resolution in ASM 2, using Peter’s search for answers about his dad to tie-in to Harry Osborn’s drama with his own father.

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Richard Parker? Turns out to be good dad. Norman Osborn? Not so much.

However, regardless of whether or not the entire story line was a bad idea to begin with (e.g., Peter Parker should NOT be “the chosen one”) it should not have been carried over into the sequel, which is so overly burdened with tying up that loose end that it basically stops all forward moment to zig to the right so that Peter can think about his dad again.  On its own, the scene with Peter uncovering his father’s video and secret research facility is not bad.  It just gets in the way of this film’s progress though.

2. Electro needed something better than a Riddler-from-Batman-Forever motivation

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 A hero is only as good as his villain, but Electro isn’t so much a villain as he is an excuse for cool action set pieces.  By the end, when he just poofs into nothingness, overloaded by the power grid due to Spider-Man and Gwen Stacey’s quick thinking, we should feel something, right?  

So, why don’t we?  Because they didn’t give us a real reason to care about him or his motivation.  Jaimie Foxx comes off like a Joel Schumacher Batman villain stunt-cast with a big name who can chew the scenery, except unlike Jim Carrey, Tommy Lee Jones, Arnold Schwarzenegger, and Uma Thurman Foxx actually seems to be taking this seriously.  His Times Square scene, at least his initial confusion as to what has become of him, is one of his only moments that really works.

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Steve Urkel as a pre-lab-accident supervillain

Foxx is ill-equipped to play the pre-Electro Max Dillon, with the comb-over hair and obsession with Spider-Man.  Are they trying to make some parallel between his obsession with Spidey, and Parker’s obsession with his father?  We get it – Dillon is a sad, lonely guy, like a Big Bang Theory character who had yet to find his own Leonard/Sheldon/etc. gang.  But turning on Spider-Man because he forgot his name?  Cutting New York’s power so that they can know how he’s felt all his life: powerless? You can try and intellectualize it and argue that due to Foxx’s skin-color his primary motivation of no longer wanting to feel invisible is meant to evoke Ralph Ellison’s classic novel The Invisible Man, but that goes looking for depth where there is none.  

3. Why is the Green Goblin in this movie?

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Dane DeHaan showed he could play odd outcast given to gradual madness to spectacular effect in the found footage superhero movie Chronicle, and though he’s sometimes practically upstaged by his own hair in ASM 2 he basically does another riff on the Chronicle character, with limited effectiveness.  They decided not to hold back, and have Harry Osborn turn into the Green Goblin, teaming up with Electro ala Sandman and Venom in Spider-Man 3.  As a result, it feels oddly anti-climactic when Spider-Man defeats Electro because the Green Goblin is flying in right around the corner.  It’s not Spider-Man 3-level bad, but Electro and Green Goblin definitely do not benefit from each other’s presence.

You can understand the filmmakers’ predicament: Harry Osborn’s transformation into the Green Goblin is now well-known.  Why string it along, right?  Just lean into it.  However, since Harry basically didn’t exist at all in ASM 1 the sequel is burdened with introducing him, making us kind of like him, establishing his fractured relationship with his dying dad, making us believe that he and Peter were once best friends who re-bond as sons to now-dead dads, and then revealing that he’s dying.  

So, his actions are that of a desperate man, and his unease about Spider-Man gets an injection of crazed vengeance when Spidey appears to refuse to help him for under-explained reasons.  However, it’s all just way too much for this movie to properly deal with.  Marc Webb has stated his idea of a theme for ASM 2 was time, i.e., appreciating the time we have since who knows how long it will last.  That does tie into Harry, who was born with an hereditary expiration date without realizing it.  It still feels like he only becomes the Green Goblin in this movie because they needed to set-up the Sinister Six, and that the Green Goblin is the one who killed Gwen in the comics, which they wanted to honor since Gwen was so clearly going to die in this movie.

4. Why is Harry Osborn dying so quickly?

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Electro’s motivation is that of a borderline stalker who turns on his target of affection for not reciprocating his feelings, thus making Spider-Man a focal point for all his rage.  Harry Osborn/Green Goblin’s motivation is primarily to survive, but to take it out on Spider-Man for refusing to help him.  As in the Raimi films we are likely meant to believe the serum which transforms him into Goblin induces some type of psychosis.  

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However, for Osborn’s transition to work we need to understand and believe that he is dying.  ASM 2 doesn’t quite pull that off.  For starters, it is jarring the astonishing rate at which Harry’s medical condition deteriorates.  Perhaps his odd, sickly appearance from the get-go (though, if you’ve seen Chronicle you know that’s just what DeHaan looks like) is meant to indicate he was already dying from his hereditary condition without realizing it.  Still, it’s ridiculous the way it gets kicked into overdrive the moment his father gives him the ole, “You’ve been nothing but a disappointment to me. Oh, btw, you’re dying, thought you should know.”  

The obvious question, then, is why Harry is on his death bed so quickly at age 20 when his dad managed to stick around until he was 63?  The implication is because Norman was able to use his massive resources and own scientific know-how (and probably Richard Parker’s know-how) to prolong his life, but it’s not made clear enough why Harry can’t simply take advantage of similar resources at his disposal within Oscorp to deal with that.   Their hope was probably that the efforts of the other board members to take Oscorp away from Harry would cover that, and maybe it does for those who give the film a more charitable viewing.  It all feels remarkably rushed, and they didn’t really give us enough time with Harry in the early scenes to make us care that he’s dying.

5. Where did the pumpkin bombs come from?

Whew.  We’ve been taking this pretty seriously so far.  How about a breather with something which is truly just me nitpicking:

In the climactic fight between Goblin and Spider-Man, we see Goblin on his glider with newly yellow-green skin and an array of pumpkin bombs at his disposal.  Wait a second.  Did I just say “pumpkin bombs”?  Yep.

This:

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Begat this:

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Begat this:

 

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Begat this:

To be fair, these don't look bad up close
To be fair, these don’t look bad up close

This was equally true for the Green Goblin in Sam Raimi’s Spider-Man: where did the pumpkin bombs come from?  Raimi’s Goblin was developing them for the military, and Webb’s steals them from an Oscorp arsenal.  That’s fine.  Of course there’d be some grenade-like devices around, but why ones which look like pumpkins?  Obviously, the answer is because that’s what the Goblin’s bombs look like in the comics so shut up about it you big nerd.  Still, though, pumpkin bombs?  They come out of nowhere in the Raimi film, but they seem to truly come out of nowhere in this one.  

6. The Playstation special effects didn’t go away

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Upon the release of the initial ASM 2 trailers, many were quick to point out the striking similarity between some of the effects shots and the graphics in the Amazing Spider-Man Playstation 3/Xbox 360 video game, often posting side-by-side comparisons as proof.

Of course, at that point maybe you can cut the filmmakers a little slack since there were still several months until the release of the film, and plenty of time to finish the CGI.  In some areas, the patience was worth it because the special effects are positively stunning. In other areas, though, they seem oddly sub-par for a movie with a production budget anywhere between $200 and $250 million, “Spider-Man too often seems weightless when he’s flying or being hurled around by his various foes, and during busy action scenes the animation seems quite jerky and stilted.”

7. Is it empowering that Gwen Stacy puts herself in danger?  Or annoying since it results in her death? 

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Emma Stone’s Gwen Stacy is no Mary Jane Watson.  I mean that in a good way because in the damsel in distress department Kirsten Dunst’s MJ probably couldn’t find a reputable life insurance company to cover her considering how often she was placed in danger (and offering really minimal resistance).  So, ASM 1 had Gwen refusing to leave the Oscorp Tower full of employees the Lizard could harm, and ASM 2 has her literally drive a police car into Electro, shutting down Spider-Man’s arguments for her to run to safety by claiming her own agency in choosing to put herself in danger in order to help him.  

There is a certain girl power element to the moment, ala MJ telling Tobey Maguire’s Peter Parker at the end of Spider-Man 2 that he doesn’t get to unilaterally make the decisions for them since if she wants to put herself in danger by being with him that is her choice to make.  Except in this case it’s like what if literally minutes after MJ said that she was taken hostage and dropped to hear death.  With the superheroes on film primarily a sausage fest at the moment the preferred method to avoid Fay Wray syndrome and give the damsel in distress a bit of kick is to have her fight back like this, often literally ala Laurel following Oliver and helping him fight off a bad guy in a recent episode of Arrow.   However, the typical byproduct is it simply gives the hero another barrier since he now has to protect someone who won’t flee for safety.  The idea is supposed to be that Gwen is actually helping Peter, making her presence more necessary than just your standard girl-hits-bad-guy-on-back-when-not-looking.  However, if they hadn’t wasted so much time on the will-they-won’t-they with those two we could have had a better sense of her ability to assist him in the field.  Is it empowering she forces her way into combat, or annoying because it gets her killed?  Probably both. 

8. The Expository dialogue is fairly terrible

ASM 2 screenwriters Robert Orci and Alex Kurtzman have worked with J.J. Abrams enough that they too have become polarizing figures among film fans just like the great bespectacled one.  So, for some, knowing that ASM 2 was a Orci/Kurtzman joint, i.e., the guys who also wrote the Transformers films, meant knowing to expect lots of clunky exposition.  As described by BadAssDigest:

“After Spider-Man’s first battle with Electro, where he gets blasted by electricity a lot, the script has a guy – a bystander at the fight! – come on TV and explain that Spider-Man didn’t die because his costume must be rubberized in some way. How do you write a script where that’s how this information is imparted? […] The film constantly has characters explain the plot and themselves to one another because this feels like a sequel to a film that isn’t The Amazing Spider-Man half the time. Harry Osborn is suddenly Peter’s best friend, which is why we never heard about him before?  Worse yet, there’s a scene where science genius Peter Parker (remember what a big deal it was reclaiming Pete’s science skills in the reboot?) watches a YouTube video to find out the basic properties of batteries!”

With these 8 we are likely only barely scraping the surface for that which could be legitimately criticized or merely nitpicked with ASM 2.  What about the truly hammy accents for Rhino and Dr. Kafka?  How stupid Rhino’s armor looked at the end?  The really strange fantasy sequence with Max Dillon assaulting his boss for speaking ill of Spider-Man?  The “too many endings” problem?

What about you?  Are there things you disliked about Amazing Spider-Man 2 which weren’t discussed above?  Things you liked that clearly I did not?  Let us know in the comments section.

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9 comments

  1. Even Jamie Foxx couldn’t save Electro despite his best efforts. I think the biggest problem for me was that too much was generally going on in this movie, resulting in a rush when we actually got to the important emotional beats.

  2. I forgot to add my number 9 on the list: Peter’s reasoning for denying Harry’s request was massively under-explained and just made Peter seem kinda like a jerk. Maybe in the end he was right, but it doesn’t make his handling of it any less douche-y.

    1. Honestly, there is so much wrong in this movie that I could end up doing another list of equal length. I try to have fun with my nitpicking articles, but most of what I discussed with ASM 2 (except the pumpkin bomb thing) is probably just straight up criticism.

      I’m totally with you on your #9. To me, it was jarring that Spider-Man was just suddenly there in Harry’s room. Beyond that, his reasoning for denying Harry’s dying request is remarkably crucial for everything that happens with Harry from that point of forward. However, instead of making the reason perfectly clear they paint mostly in broad stroaks, Spidey giving Harry a kind of general, “It’s too dangerous. You could die,” to which Harry accurately replies, “But I’m already dying!”

      It always seemed like the Peter Parker/Harry Osborn drama from the Raimi trilogy could have been avoided if Parker just told Harry the truth about exactly how his dad died (not leaving it to a warmed-over Alfred to do it), except at least there Parker’s supposed to keeping his promise to Norman to not let his son know what had become of him.

      Here, we get the gist of why Spider-Man can’t help Harry, and why Harry is so angry but it’s like we got the cliffsnotes version instead of the full chapter of the book.

      Also – and this is more of a nitpick-y nature – how did Harry not recognize his supposed former best friend’s voice from underneath that Spider-Man mask? At least Arrow has some kind of voice modulator. Unless I’m mistaken, that’s just Peter Parker being himself under that mask with his voice. Oh, great idea – instead of doing a Christian Bale growl they could have Andrew Garfield do his American accent as Peter Parker and British accent when under the mask as Spider-Man. Actually, his accent isn’t remarkably pronounced, and it’d be strange for an icon of New York to sound British. We’ll table that idea for later.

      1. LOL to the British accent! That might put people off, but I could totally see it being a running gag as Spidey perhaps tries various accents to camouflage his voice… I think Garfield could totally pull that off!

        I don’t know if this is more nit-picky than critical, but did you notice that Gwen emphasized several times that she needed to go to the power station to help Peter *because she knew the schematics of the station* and how to turn the power back on – and then when she got there, all it took was opening a giant yellow box clearly marked “Main Reset” and pulling a big tab clearly labeled “Pull”. The dude’s key was even conveniently hanging in his dead hand nearby. Seriously, could they have at least *pretended* that it required some skill set after all that setup??

      2. OMG, I actually totally missed that due to my boiling frustration with what I was watching. I think you might have actually gotten at why exactly it was I felt so annoyed that she showed up to try and help Peter – I wasn’t even completely clear what she was doing since, as you pointed out, it seemed like all she had to do was push a big button.

        On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 5:42 PM, We Minored In Film wrote:

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  3. I really really hated that Harry/Spiderman scene. During the whole scene I was like “just tell him you can’t help because his DNA isn’t compatible with the serum/spider/venom/etc and he’ll most likely move on, look for something else an not resent you too much.” Instead its a vague “can’t help you dude, you may die despite the fact that your already halfway dead.”

    Is it too much to ask for some intelligence in these movies?

    1. Clearly not one of Peter Parker’s finest hours. Maybe if they’d had a chance to make Amazing Spider-Man 3 with Andrew Garfield he would been racked with guilt over Gwen’s death, looking back to that one scene and wondering why in the world he didn’t just tell Harry the truth instead of his vague, as you said, “Can’t help you dude, you may die despite the fact that your already halfway dead.”

  4. “It’s not Spider-Man 3-level bad, but Electro and Green Goblin definitely do not benefit from each other’s presence.”
    The final battle in Spider-Man 3 was much better. The villains fought actually as a team and it was not just throwing a villain in at the end because we´ve seen the alien costume for most of the movie.

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